Curse

mike7333 · Jan 08, 2009, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Mo/D Droks Runner
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Divine: 12+1+1
Wind Prayers: 10
Earth Prayers: 8

+5 energy 20% enchantments weapon
+45 hp -2 enchanted shield

1) Enchanted Haste
2) Fleeting Stabilty
3) "I Am Unstoppable!"
4) Spell Breaker
5) Blessed Signet
6) Balthazar's Spirit
7) Watchful Spirit
8) Blessed Aura

Notes
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For the areas with knockdown, alternate between
Feeling Stability and "I Am Unstoppable"

When running past the Tundra Giants at the end of
Dreadnaughts Drift, the`key to not dying is to remove
Watchfull Spirit when your health hits around 100 - 150.

Read a Droks running guide to learn of all the safe spots
to regen your energy

Important
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When running through large mobs, before you start,
especially if new to this, always wait till you have full energy
and ALL your skills are recharged, yo never know what might
happen.

I realise this a terribly written guide, but ive been using this
for a long time to run friends and guildies, and it works well
if you master it.

I know of similar versions but i find this to be the best.

Thanks for reading, pm in game with any questions. if you're gonna
abuse, remember i have an ignore list

daze · Jan 08, 2009, 05:49 AM // 05:49

i always thought that [dwarven stability] and [drunken master] were the best skills to bring on a droks run. Especially when you have some alcohol to drink.

Then you could go Mo/E and do something like [blessed [email protected]][glyph of swiftness][spell [email protected]] for an almost perma spell breaker.

or for more icing on the Drunken cake you can even go
[dwarven [email protected]][drunken [email protected]][feel no [email protected]][glyph of [email protected]][spell [email protected]][blessed [email protected]][blessed [email protected]][balthazars spirit]

p.s. [[feel no pain] is actually +300HP when at rank 10. And it lasts 30 seconds with a 20 second recharge

I would love to make a drunken runner build then charge people booze to run them places. "Will run for Booze"

Age · Jan 08, 2009, 07:54 AM // 07:54

It has been some what been done before and it couldn't of been a long time.The Derv hasn't been out that long.

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/D_HH_Forge_Monk

This one can do it to

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo...erpeaks_Runner

The same as this one.

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/W_Bold_Forge_Monk

Which is similar to the one I use.

Lourens · Jan 08, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59

save the trouble and go D/A

Rothan Celt · Jan 08, 2009, 11:19 AM // 11:19

do ppl still run this?

/yawn

id suggest just going perma

mike7333 · Jan 09, 2009, 09:49 AM // 09:49

I got flamed a few days ago for offering to run as a monk, so just thought id post the idea, be nice if it became known as a viable thing for a monk to do lol

i understand dervs and sins are better, but i dont have either and dont plan making either, anad i can do the run so other people in my situation should be able too, if you get my point.

the eotn skills idea is good, but id rather use booze on my main char lol

Arkantos · Jan 09, 2009, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Age

Warriors and Rangers are good to Warriors are still King.

Warriors are nothing compared to assassins and dervishes for running.

Lyynyyrd · Jan 10, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Warriors are nothing compared to assassins and dervishes for running.

Warriors look cool.

daze · Jan 11, 2009, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Age

Veteran exprienced Warriors runners can beat both of them in blink of an eye.I know 2 very exprienced Warriors and in some other places a Warrior will definetly.This is about Monks anyway.

Veteran experienced sins and derv can beat a veteran experienced warrior in the blink of an eye.
The ONLY thing that warrios have going for them is thick skin. Other than that, derv, sin and even monk outclass that with [vow of silence], [shadow form], and [spell breaker].
Id mention the fact that derv and sin have better running skills as well, but [drunken master] seems to be the best one for the alcoholics.

Monks can shed off hexes and conditions best
Dervs make best use of [vow of silence] and multiple speed boosts and health replenishment
Sins make best use of [shadow form] and multiple speed boosts and shadowsteps.
Even rangers are quicker than warrios. with lots of blocking and high elemental defense and [antidote signet]

Warrios use shouts to run which means that a paragon would me more effective using those same skills for running. [charge][i am unstoppable][watch yourself]

daze · Jan 11, 2009, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by Age

There are no Veteran Dervs and Sins how long has the Warrior been out compared to those and it might surprise you that those Derv runners were once warrior Runners.

Your reasoning is flawed here. This is why.

Lets be very overly generous and say that for the dimmest dimwit in GW it will take 1 year to master the ways off the wammo and achieve "veteran" status as a leeroy i mean wammo.

Lets be even more silly and say that it takes 2 years for a monkey with a learning disability to achieve "veteran" status as a wammo and learn how to best use one.

Ok now, how long has Nightfall be out?? Over 2 years?

So in conclusion to this point, it is very short sighted/ignorant to say that there are no veteran dervs/sins because they haven't been around since the dawn of GW.

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Originally Posted by Age

They retired thier Warriors before that Warriors did always got you there and take more skill to use them as well they are expensive to equip.

Ok so i agree with this. before factions/nightfall, Warriors were much better runners than dervs/sins.

You almost stumbled upon a contradiction of yourself. But ill help you finish this thought.

Question: Why did these wammos retire their warrios and start running as dervs/sins??

Answer: Because Dervs/sins are better runners

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Originally Posted by Age

But enough about running we talk about Monks here like healing.protecting and smiting.

Umm could you go ahead and re-read the title of this thread.....
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Yep it looks like a running thread. And the topic is . . . tada Running. So it is just natural that when in a discussion about running that we list all the running professions in order to compare and contrast.

Bottom line now is that monks now are better runners than warriors when running southern shiverpeaks. But R/Mo > Mo/R for running though.

daze · Jan 12, 2009, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by Age

I have met better wammos if you want to call them than Dervs or Sins doing coop missions ateast from a Monks perspective.

Umm we are talking about running, not coop missions. I am aware that wammos make the best fighters.

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Originally Posted by Age

It maybe 2 years but how long has the original been out coming up to 4 years now.

There is nothing that you can learn in 4 years that you cant learn in 2. So 4 years of playing a character isnt any better than 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Age

Warrior are still better runners than Dervs and Sins and on the contrary if a Derv or Sin can run so can a Warrior.They retired thier Warriors becuase they wanted to work on thier titles and found it easier to run with Derv or Sin as Warrior takes greater amount of skill and time.I will point out one thing to you given the mechanics of the game is that Warriors are heavier given the amount of armour they have.

If a derv or sin can do the same job but with less effort then that makes them better.

You keep saying that warriors are better but you give no evidence to support your theory. I know that dervs are faster than warrios and sins are much faster than warrios and have better invulnerability with perma SF.
As i said earlier the only thing that makes warriors good runners is the thick skin.

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Originally Posted by Age

I know Warriors who don't even use a self heal on Droks run.

I know perma sins that dont use self heals either, and they are faster. Sorry but no warrio can beat perma [shadow form] with near perma [dash]

[deadly paradox][shadow form][dwarven stability][dash][deaths charge]

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Originally Posted by Age

Yes and it has been answered and not quite the monks are better than Warriors as well as Rangers.I play all the professions mention

My Monk is my #1 of coarse #2 is my Warrior #3 is my Ranger #4 is either my Ele or Mesmer and I do have Derv and Sin.They are cheap and easy to learn and build.

Are you still talking about best professions for running? or just in general gameplay? If you are talking about running professions then i have no comment. If you are once again off the subject of running then i have no comment.

daze · Jan 12, 2009, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Age

It is the exprisence and knowledge that you learn.

Profound wisdom is profound
But as i have said at least twice so far, when it comes to running, there is nothing that you can learn in 4 years that you cant learn in 2.

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Originally Posted by Age

No.That does not make them better just easier as Warriors do have the best running elite the game and don't have to recast thier enchants.That is becuase of the change to SF if we were to use the true version of being pvp now they wouldn't.Warriors don't have to rely on changed skills.

i lol'ed. [[charge] is the best running elite?? Hello my name is [avatar of balthazar] im faster than charge and easily permanent and have an an armor boost. I would not waste an elite skill on a speed boost anyways

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Originally Posted by Age

Warriors don't have to rely on PvE skills for running like Sins do.Warriors are balanced very well and no skill has pvp/pve version.SF is OP for what it can do.

Umm.. so what? Dervs dont have to rely on pve skills but they do help. The fact that some skills have pvp/pve version means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as to the effectiveness of a runner. when it comes down to it. the bottom line is, the only thing that makes one profession better over another can be summed up in one word: SPEED. And to illustrate this to you, i would gladly meet you in Beacons with my derv and your warrior. We can dual run to Droks and see who reaches the portals first.

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Originally Posted by Age

I wondering do you are you being biased here is that you hate Warriors or don't like them.It only takes one chapter to make runner with a Warrior with Sin you need 2 as well as Dervs.The skills Warriors use are perfactly balanced.

Im not saying that warriors cant run at all. Just that other professions do it faster. I recognize warriors for what they are god for which is managing aggro and physical attacks. (yes i do mean "God" and not "Good")

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Originally Posted by Age

No.I am not talking about running here is that the thread has been answered and I am talking about my preferences of chars.

This is the Monk forum btw not a forum on running.

Umm you are half right. the topic of this thread is in fact running
THis is a monk Forum, but a running thread. ANd to fully understand the mechanics to running with a monk, it helps to know how other professions manage and utilize running builds.

But like i said, there is ONE and only ONE determining factor that will decide who is the best runner. And that one thing is SPEED. Not pve skills, not enchants, not balance, not veteran status, and not the waxing or waning of the moon; but SPEED pure and simple.

And once again, to prove this to you ill gladly meet you in beacons with me on my derv, my friend on his sin and you on your warrio.

Or even better, As i do not call myself the best derv runner in beacons, Ill sponsor a foot race between a warrior, derv and sin. Ill either pay the winnings myself or start a pool between 3 spectators who can die at the portal and watch the race. And we can run enough races until the winner has won twice. Entry fee is 5k per player and the pot goes to the winner.

Ill also start a side pool between the 3 spectators to take bets on who will win.

And if the warrior whines about other runners messing up the aggro, we can make 3 parties who all leave at the same time then communicate on Skype or Vent or whatever.

daze · Jan 13, 2009, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Age

I don't do Droks runs I do Desert tours from Augary Rock.

I can understand why. Desert runs are mind numbingly easy. I can [avatar of balthazar][eternal aura][fleeting stability] the whole desert with those 3 skills while watching TV. And its a fact that i can do it faster than any warrior too because 33% faster 100% of the time with 3 second bursts of 50% increase is better than 33% faster some of the time with 25% faster other times

But ya i agree the crystal desert runs are more up to speed for a warrior. Not too many warriors can run southern shiverpeaks and even less can do it effectively.

[avatar of balthazar][eternal aura][fleeting stability][deaths charge][dark escape][dash][mystic regeneration][faithful intervention] = Fastest running build around for easy runs like Crystal desert or Ascalon - LA.

daze · Jan 13, 2009, 09:07 AM // 09:07

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Originally Posted by Age

I said imo Warriors are better if we has our absorption runes we would be even better than we are now.

that is a pretty big IF

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Originally Posted by Age

You got Defensive once agian in that last post and had to even quote me.

lol defensive. I was agreeing with you. here i was thinking that we were talking about the hardest run in Tyra (Southern Shiverpeaks) but apparently you were referring to one of the easiest runs in Tyra (Crystal desert). Ive ran crystal desert with my ele for christ sake.
Dude, i hope you know that Crystal Desert is not a true test of a runners proficiency.

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Originally Posted by Age

I can do it with 3 skills to as to that Derv build yeah I can do that on mine not as fast as I can run with my Warrior.
Read what these 2 skills say [!"charge"@14][charging [email protected]] runs 33% faster.

that is pretty awesome to be able to use two elite skills when you run. But seriously,[[charge] with [[charging strike] is still not as fast as [[avatar of balthazar] with bursts of [[dash]

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Originally Posted by Age

It would seem to me you know very littile about the Warrior or just plain hate them.I am through with this and oh those retired Warriors I recant that most of them quit the game.

No, sorry as i said earlier i like warrior for what they are good for. Managing aggro and physical attacks.

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Originally Posted by Age

btw You can eat my Monks dust you fall behind.

I am through with this as I stated above .

I would be through with a discussion if i was unable to post any solid builds or feasible numbers that might help me understand why you think warriors are faster.

But once again i would be happy to demonstrate this to you in a foot race.

Im curious though. since this is the Monk Running thread, would you kindly post your Monk running build that would have me eating dust?

Napalm Flame · Jan 13, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by daze

that is a pretty big IF

lol defensive. I was agreeing with you. here i was thinking that we were talking about the hardest run in Tyra (Southern Shiverpeaks) but apparently you were referring to one of the easiest runs in Tyra (Crystal desert). Ive ran crystal desert with my ele for christ sake.
Dude, i hope you know that Crystal Desert is not a true test of a runners proficiency.

that is pretty awesome to be able to use two elite skills when you run. But seriously,[[charge] with [[charging strike] is still not as fast as [[avatar of balthazar] with bursts of [[dash]

No, sorry as i said earlier i like warrior for what they are good for. Managing aggro and physical attacks.

I would be through with a discussion if i was unable to post any solid builds or feasible numbers that might help me understand why you think warriors are faster.

But once again i would be happy to demonstrate this to you in a foot race.

Im curious though. since this is the Monk Running thread, would you kindly post your Monk running build that would have me eating dust?

Drunken master, plus dash? It would save an elite spot tbh. Alcohol is pretty cheap anyway and you can get a nice stock of it farming snowman arena, from zaishen chest or on the cheap. If you're running 7 people at once for 2k per person that's 14k, minus some cost on alcohol and you've still got a sizeable profit.

daze · Jan 13, 2009, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Napalm Flame

Drunken master, plus dash? It would save an elite spot tbh. Alcohol is pretty cheap anyway and you can get a nice stock of it farming snowman arena, from zaishen chest or on the cheap. If you're running 7 people at once for 2k per person that's 14k, minus some cost on alcohol and you've still got a sizeable profit.

Exactly, That is now my favorite way to run and work on drunken title (multitasking FTW). [dwarven stability][drunken master][dash]... Just cruise om [drunken master][dwarven stability] for 90% of the run and then use the 6 second [dash] for any hot spots.